Tulpa.info - metaphysics

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They referred to the sky as being the colour of oxidized bronze I think?

9:11 PM

Which is green.

the most basic one is black white and red, and some tribes today still have only words for that. they can't perceive the difference between other colors, and they are not colorblind

Zen

They referred to the sky as being the colour of oxidized bronze I think?

yes!

Amusing considering the traditional colours of Athens

haha yes

They would have perceived the blue as relating to bronze rather than coolness or water or anything like that possibly. (edited)

certain colors definitely do certain things to people, but I'd have to agree those things can be brought to mind through conditioning in culture like yellow meaning cowardice

9:20 PM

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/are-colors-innate-or-learned/ pretty much follows this argument to death

are colors innate or learned? well, it's both and the article kind of misses the point

"Color meaning is either based in learned meaning or biologically innate meaning" its both

It's a shame the actual study is no doubt locked behind a significant paywall. I would liked to have seen the the experiment data.

9:26 PM

This is just a fairly short statement with no substance

sufficient enough to make an argument, who reads anything more than the title and maybe first paragraph anyway?

It's notable this isn't actually making any sort of colour theory statements. It's merely referring to whether an early brain recognizes colour at all.

9:34 PM

I'd be curious to see if we could observe infants having emotional responses to colour prior to developing ego and long term memory modelling at about the age of 2.

9:35 PM

The way I see it what you're describing is actually not innate at all.

9:35 PM

It's after that 2-year phase you develop ideas about colour and then you start to have associated emotions.

9:35 PM

But I could be wrong, possibly we have instincts regarding certain colours regarding danger for instance?

9:37 PM

Anywho I was taking a quick break, I'm goin' back to the mancin'

9:38 PM

Oh one last thing on the topic of Chakras though

9:39 PM

It's important to remember that the 7 chakra point model is actually a western anachronism .

9:39 PM

So its colour stuff doesn't correlate to Hinduism and Buddhism.

9:39 PM

Tantra in Hinduism has 6 points, and Buddhism has 5.

But in ATLA there are 7, who cares about Buddhism or Hinduism bs?

Well it matters if you're citing the model as an example of eastern colour associations with things

9:42 PM

Given that it isn't eastern, that would be quite flawed. (edited)

9:42 PM

As mentioned, Buddhism thinks red is wise, for instance.

9:43 PM

Probably wouldn't have correlated it with the sex chakra by default. (edited)

Interestingly, I'm seeing some overlap in terms of colour with the Hindu version (The Buddhist one doesn't relate to colour at all), but just at a glance the sources seem tenuous, like they're using the western symbolism for Hinduism here. The articles show mandalas with the western colours but go on to describe the completely different symbolic colours in the actual chakra for some of them, whereas others list the exact description of the image they have provided with no citation. Even with that though: The third eye for instance in traditional sources is entirely colourless/white. The throat is purple and white, not blue. The sakral chakra(orange typically) is white and vermillion. And go figure, the solar plexus correlation(yellow) also includes red as part of the symbolism in addition to the yellow symbolism.

9:55 PM

Anywho, I linger too long. I go.

Zen

Anywho, I linger too long. I go.

I really like that lol My mom talks like that, that's a compliment

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the most basic one is black white and red, and some tribes today still have only words for that. they can't perceive the difference between other colors, and they are not colorblind

that's not entirely true, or at least, it's a misleading way to word it. they can still tell things apart and recognize that things look different, they just have fewer, broader standard color words. us english speakers would call both #1111aa and #7777ee blue, but we would also recognize that they look different and are not the same color

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Zen

Interestingly, I'm seeing some overlap in terms of colour with the Hindu version (The Buddhist one doesn't relate to colour at all), but just at a glance the sources seem tenuous, like they're using the western symbolism for Hinduism here. The articles show mandalas with the western colours but go on to describe the completely different symbolic colours in the actual chakra for some of them, whereas others list the exact description of the image they have provided with no citation. Even with that though: The third eye for instance in traditional sources is entirely colourless/white. The throat is purple and white, not blue. The sakral chakra(orange typically) is white and vermillion. And go figure, the solar plexus correlation(yellow) also includes red as part of the symbolism in addition to the yellow symbolism.

I found it

7:24 AM

sorry but the model where they form a rainbow is simply much better. Probably why this is the most common

I know it makes me sound crazy but my main theory was how shapes correspond to these points to give symbolic meaning- a top-heavy image is more cerebral and a bottom-heavy image is more fiery and stable, but a center-heavy image is perceived as good because it corresponds to the heart/joy area. It doesn't really have much to do with color or what colors mean across cultures but if it corresponds to a rainbow then I'm sure that would be a part of it

I really got to say, this is some good shit and I'm sad to see others missing out. It links everything together, making all things one. It describes the interaction between every line, whether parallel or perpendicular and links them back to our mind so that nothing is coincidence. It answers every question of "why does x look so y" and to me that's worth the entire world because we've been asking such questions for millennia and now I have an answer, even if it isn't perfect, but I'm pretty damn sure I'm close. I appreciate all y'alls efforts to bring these other cultural interpretations to our attention but for now I think the rainbow model will do rather nicely for us going forward

The reason Im so unenthused is because the way youre expressing it just sounds like "oh hey X looks like Y because shapes" which to an outsider really doesnt sound that impressive. Plus a complex "theory of shapes" isnt necessary at all for recognizing that "everything is one" (edited)

It's not at all impressive imo. The fact we respond to shapes different isn't some sort of cosmic truth at all tbh. It's entirely about us responding to things we associate with other things. We don't like spiky things or view them as dangerous because they are dangerous and humans don't like being stabbed. (edited)

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2:33 PM

Feng Shui's observably a load of shit too. Decor can be oppressive in feel if done wrong, but it's not magic.

In terms of sacred geometries, for a long time humans have seen that nature followed mathematical principles that were in many ways not completely understood. Long before there was an actual understanding of newtonian physics there was stuff observed like the golden ratio which is bloody everywhere. It's a simple truth of reality that it confirms to the most efficient and easy path, and that those paths are geometrically similar when observed. At least until you start getting into quantum states when things start to become weird. If you'd like to see an example of exactly the type of not-actually-meaningful pattern-recognition based on real geometry and math that humans are prone to this image is a model of the spaces between planets in the sky before it was understood what any where exactly they were based on measuring differences between them. This is closer to what you are doing. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Kepler-solar-system-2.png This image means nothing and fails to actually see the underlying real geometry of the movement of the planets because it's failed in a similar way to trying to model the stars using only earth's surface as a viewing point - which leads us to seeing constellations where practically speaking there are none. Just as reality does have geometric truths involved with it, it's important to remember that humans are designed to see these in everything. We are pattern finders. Just because you see a pattern, doesn't mean it's real or actually based on anything. It's more often than not a random correlation. There are such things as coincidences in the world. (edited)

Nicely put IMO (edited)

By the way every time I see the stereotypical image of Jesus nowadays I'm reminded that it's apparently the face of Cesare Borgia having been paid for by literally the worst pope to be immortalized as the second coming...

2:58 PM

He was a pretty Italian narcissist though, I must say.

see ya guys, thanks for listening

helped me once again to refine my ideas and find further application them

hydrix95

I know it makes me sound crazy but my main theory was how shapes correspond to these points to give symbolic meaning- a top-heavy image is more cerebral and a bottom-heavy image is more fiery and stable, but a center-heavy image is perceived as good because it corresponds to the heart/joy area. It doesn't really have much to do with color or what colors mean across cultures but if it corresponds to a rainbow then I'm sure that would be a part of it

what if someone did a handstand? if they were had previously unlocked their third eye chakra or whatever, and were naturally more cerebral, would they then be interpreted a threatening?

Have you ever seen someone run at you on their hands?

3:04 PM

Terrifying.

They should make a zombie movie like that

3:06 PM

Maybe the virus makes their feet rot away or something

Breloomancer

what if someone did a handstand? if they were had previously unlocked their third eye chakra or whatever, and were naturally more cerebral, would they then be interpreted a threatening?

I don't know which one looks the most threatening to you

3:08 PM

just joking

if only I could get my skirt to stay up like that while doing a handstand

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well if everyone is satisfied with entertaining my theories I guess I'll leave so as not to make any more enemies. Thanks for all the fish

Enemies? My dear yaya... I love the chance to feed someone the bitter sweet nectar of science... Also we need at least one resident crazy.

They left...

Seems I scared 'em off.

well as i mentioned he is probably going through another psychotic episode and ridiculing or explaining why he's wrong is probably not helping (edited)

Zen

Plants have no brain or central nervous system.

According to one person, plants have nerves. I have not read any of his publications though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nervous_Mechanism_of_Plants

The Nervous Mechanism of Plants

“The Nervous Mechanism of Plants”, published in 1926, is a botany book by Sir Jagadish Chandra Bose which summarises his most recent findings in the area of plant physiology. Bose had previously investigated this topic in books such as Plant response as a means of physiological investigation from 1906, or The physiology of photosynthesis, publis...

Plants do not have nervous system with nerves. It would be more accurate to say that plants often have mechanically responsive vascular systems which respond to danger and trigger defenses where they have evolved to do so. But there's no consciousness or awareness involved. It's as uncontrolled by any real consciousness as white blood cells rushing to a wound.

Do you mean they don't have nerves or they aren't in a system? I am a fortnight behind on reading the things here :d

Zen

Plants do not have nervous system with nerves. It would be more accurate to say that plants often have mechanically responsive vascular systems which respond to danger and trigger defenses where they have evolved to do so. But there's no consciousness or awareness involved. It's as uncontrolled by any real consciousness as white blood cells rushing to a wound.

How do you know that last part?

9:51 PM

Hmmm https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8052213/

Debunking a myth: plant consciousness

Claims that plants have conscious experiences have increased in recent years and have received wide coverage, from the popular media to scientific journals. Such claims are misleading and have the potential to misdirect funding and governmental policy ...

9:53 PM

Fascinating reading

9:58 PM

For instance, I just learned that the roundworm is a "representative nonconscious animal"

Just because a system produces good responses doesn't really mean anything. These systems were selected for by evolution. There is something to be said for cells being potentially individually reactive, but equating this to how humans render awareness is benign anthropomorphism at best.

10:10 PM

anon

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i can move an alluminium ruler using aerokinesis

That is huge if true. (Unless you're doing something like blowing on it :c)

I see you've not been here too long. An/Kitkat is our resident sassy... Do you count as a 'mancer if you've got the DID? Probably do.

5:11 PM

In short, you should always presume fakery from our Queen thereof.

Ree

Zen

In short, you should always presume fakery from our Queen thereof.

fakery?! i can use my aerokinesis capabilities with my lungs or hands rituals, and it's all just by using my mind!

Ducati or Honda would probably be my favorite

Unfastened Belts

Hmmm https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8052213/

Ahhhh, reminds me of some of the convos about how plants recognize their own children and avoid competing with them on root space.

2:59 PM

Like, they're not doing it with intent, lol

anon

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once i didnt jerk off for like 7 days and i got the ability to move small objects with my mind

Man if that were true I'd basically be Xavier

Daily reminder that you cannot disprove that I am a real God and my faithful disciples will get 72 dragon virgins in paradise.

Your idle gifts and trifles, whether divine or not, detract from the great race of Man achieving its own true and divine nature. Humanity are the only true gods, and with time we will make an infinite amount of [insert fetish here] slave races. It's inevitable. No intervention is necessary.

Dragon virgins > [insert fetish here] slave races

Dragons virgins are a fetish.

2:34 PM

Our great people will inevitably fuck dragons. You must know this.

Who said they are for your fetishes, blasphemer?

You are welcome to try and stop us from creating a race of dragons for the purposes of hand holding and other forms of lewdity.

2:35 PM

Other gods have tried.

2:35 PM

I remain unperturbed by your pillars of salt or whatever.

I'm waiting for that. But remember you can always repent and worship me if you fail miserably at your dreams.

What you divinities, handed your power at birth, fail to recognize, is that the true power of humanity lies in progress. Failure is merely a stepping stone. If it is not me and my generation, then a future one will take up the mantle. I will die proud, knowing that we will achieve mastery over nature.

But you won't get dragon virgins as your generation won't succeed.

Me?

2:38 PM

I could have a dragon virgin right now if I wanted one. I am a mighty 'mancer.

No, you can't.

Btw unironically I very much can. How to into tulpas sexually is very much a field I have studied to quite some success...

2:41 PM

But I digress. It matters not. You cannot offer anything to us we will not eventually outstrip.

Gods and wannabes waste their time in verbal squabbles while, I, enlightened, hunt for more cashews